Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. You said yourself that the title was revealing. Plus: California man uses Bitcoin to pay hitman to murder his ex; police accuse woman of abandoning baby found frozen to death in 1985; woman who may be victim of alleged D.C. serial killer identified; and Ghislaine Maxwell makes bid for lighter sentence. Eventually, in early 1983, Knickerbocker told Downs that he was not going to leave his wife for her and that he did not want to be father to Downs children or any children, for that matter. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. Q. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. There are no facts? This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Maybe she didnt want to admit she was there for drugs, but you need a really tiny brain to worry about that in such a situation. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. In Rules book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she lovedher childrendearly and worked hard to be a good provider. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Police interviewed Steve Downs about his ex-wife and discovered that she owned a .22 caliber gun like the one used in the shootings. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. It was not the right gun. (that one is more of a question). Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. Downs said that she then faked throwing her keys out of the car into some bushes, pushed the gunman away, and got back into her car and drove as fast as she could to the hospital with her gravely injured children. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. Children imitate their parents every move. Again I go back to how times were back then. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? Even put in different hospitals. As time went on, Diane became the prime suspect, especially after Robert and her ex-husband, Steve Downs, both told authorities that she owned a .22 caliber handgun, the same type which was used for the shooting of the children. I feel sorry for Diane too. Arizona; Tucson; Robert Arthur Knickerbocker; Robert Arthur Knickerbocker, Age 66. aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. How about dads side of the family? You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. Although the .22 used in the shootings was never found, police found unfired bullets in Downs home that had the same extractor marks as bullet casings found at the crime scene. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. He was buried at burial place, Arizona. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. Name: Robert A Knickerbocker, Phone number: (520) 293-1877, State: AZ, City: Tucson, Zip Code: 85705 and more information But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. It surely was not due process. Is. Downs had only been living in Oregon for six weeks when it seems she just snapped. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER Tucson, Arizona Dec 25, 1932 - May 15, 2015 Plant Memorial Trees Not the right person? For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Email Address: r CNKF @amphi.com +1 email. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? Diane found with him, the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. 5. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. The Diane Downs case a case where a woman was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield, Oregon became the subject of ABCs 20/20 in the episode entitled My Mothers Sin. Stephen Daniel (known as Danny), 3, Cheryl Lynn, 7, and Christie Anne, 8, were all shot multiple times in the May 19, 1983 attack. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. Where to begin? Ways to honor Robert Knickerbocker's life and legacy. 100% CAUCASIAN Our ethnicity data indicates the majority is Caucasian. Find 77 people named Robert Knickerbocker along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. 132 records for Robert Knickerbocker. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Find census, military, and other historical records.*. Hello. I say these things if I were on the jury. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. So she warns her to stay away. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. That's insane to think that I would do such a thing and then bring the witnesses in against myself that's crazy.". We identified 6 records related to "Robert Knickerbocker" in the state of Arizona. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. She was the prosecutions only hope. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. They rarely get a break. They were the small sacrifices. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. If not, why not? Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. She has come a long way. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. I am interested in the truth. lol. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. She took care of herself not her children. When she returned to the hospital, Downs was informed that Cheryl was dead, but her other two children had survived the attack. What about the fact that they never found the gun? Work: Rising Tide LP - General Partner, Rising Tide LTD Partnership - Chief Executive Officer, knickerbocker investments - owner +1 more. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Uncover Robert's photos, videos, and more , Personal details for Robert may include . During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. Simply because I researched them. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. Find Robert Knickerbocker's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December Makes no difference to me. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. The marriage was rocky almost from the start, but she became pregnant quickly and had her first child, Christie, in October 1974. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. I am just curious. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. Wasnt he the stranger? This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Published by Press & Sun-Bulletin on Sep. 23, 2015. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. She did it. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. Facebook gives people. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. View Robert Knickerbocker results in Florida (FL) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. Not in this case. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. Downs herself had been shot in the forearm during what she claimed was a struggle with the mysterious stranger. I actually do not know what really happened. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. You fail to mention what her daughter actually said about her communication with Diane, like Diane telling her that a very powerful person, a secret man, has been watching her, and that if she loved her son she would move away or else her son will grow up to be a murderer. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. No conflict of interest there? #corrupt. Leave a memory or share a photo or video below to show your support. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. 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